Taunting
It's come to my attention that a guild member, or more than one, has particpated in what I'll term "taunting". This would be engaging in a Trade conversation either on Horde-side or Ally-side regarding our guild. In addition it would mean whispers to other guilds either horde side, or ally side form an alt, that either we are in some sort of competition with, be it PVP, or guild achievements, or whatever.
I don't care if these people are your best friends in the world and you're having some good natured fun. You can do that on a personal level with them. In no way is any of this sort of taunting, or joking behavior, encouraged or supported by the guild, and in fact we look down on it. I'm not naming names, because I know it's happened multiple times currently and in the past, and I've never necessarily put it down explicitly.
If someone you dont' know, or someone you know, wants to rip on Natural Order in trade, let them. Don't respond. Not in trade, not in whispers.
If you know someone in another guild we're competeing with for raid progression (either horde or alliance), then don't egg them on or taunt them about where we're at. That doesn't mean you can't have a conversation about it, but don't bring it up, and if it's brought up be modest about it. Humility. This behavior makes us look like pricks, and invariable will spur on the other guild to do even better, so it actually HURTS us if we're competing with another guild.
If we're engaging in viscious PVP combat in a city raid, don't swap over to an alt and harrass or mock the Allys. That's just dickish.
None of these things are the Natural Order way, they are frowned upon, and repeated disregard for this mindset will be treated as douchebaggery.
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No previous activity of this type prior to this post will be punished, or reacted to, and I'm not calling anyone out specifically, so if you get your panties in a bunch about this THAT is what will piss me off, not the previous taunting. I'm letting prior actions go, so should you. I hope and expect all Natural Order members to behave maturely not just to each other, but to others, from this point forward.
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What about TB?
There's a certain, subtle joy to speaking with people who get all worked up in TB. Just generally acting clueless, or making "obvious" observations when someone is having a real assholeheartattack as the Alliance rolls over us. The guild name doesn't come in to it though, so I would be surprised if it mattered, and overall it's all just good clean fun, not taunting or personal attacks.
Depends, honestly
Whether or not it's in general or trade or whispers even, someone can do a /who and see your guild tag. But that doesn't mean that you can't get into it with someone. I would say that if someone isn't being obnoxious, and you START something, that's not cool. if someone is obnoxious and your'e fucking with him like...
"EVERYONE TO SLAG! YOU STUPID FUCKS GET TO SLAG!"
and has been doing that all battle and you post
"Need help at Lumber Mill." and shit like that to fuck with him and get him riled up more. No, that's not what I'm talking about. That's fine. Sense of humor, person is an asshole, treating it with a level of "ha ha you're an idiot." then that's not what I mean.
I mean more like someone being like...
"You idiots are so full of fail, get to slag or we're gonna lose this."
"That's funny coming from a guy in <Douchebag Guild Name>. You guys don't know dick about PVP."
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One is fucking around with people, the other is calling out the guild, not the person. Then the next level would even be making a claim about our guild publicly.
Basically 1) Don't call out other guilds, 2) Don't be cocky about our guild. If you keep it on a personal fucking around level, that's different, as long as your'e not a total dick about it. Funny? sure. Asshole? Then that makes our entire guild look like assholes, even if that guy is a douche.
But even if your'e an asshole to the douchebag, that's not even what I'm talking about here. This isn't a 'stay out of trade and general chat' thing, but more of a 'dont' say dick about our guild in public, in response to anything, or to provoke anyone.'
Does that make sense?
This past weekend, in Twin
This past weekend, in Twin Peaks, I told a guy he was coming across like a real asshole. (He was one of those guys who knows what everybody else should be doing, and everybody else is doing it wrong. Plus he was yelling at us like a football coach.) After a brief continuation of the disagreement, I put him on my ignore list.
Was that wrong?
You monster. You
You monster. You incomparable fuck!
I can only compare you to a certain mustachio'd historical political leader of a German persuasion.
/hyperbole
(No subject)
Seems fine to me
If someone is an asshole, and you call him out on it, and eventually put him on /ignore this isn't want I'm talking about.
If he was from <Douchebag Guildname> and was saying
"You pricks from <Natural Order> don't know shit about PVP, and your guildmaster is a fucking idiot."
then don't respond to him. Don't defend the guild. Don't say he's an asshole. Just ignore him, and put him on /ignore. He's not calling YOU out, he's calling the guild out, and I don't want people responding to that.
However if he says "Nordberg you're a total fail PVP'er you should go back where your mother shit you out." then by all means feel free to respond "Your'e a total asshole, you know that right?" and put him on ignore after. However to respond back with a personal attack on you by saying "At least I don't belong to a shitty guild, and am instead in an awesome one! Eat my scorpion mount." then that ISN"T cool.
Does that make sense?
Asshole makes personal attack? Feel free to make personal response. Asshole attacks guild? Ignore.
I don't think that either of those really applies...
I see this as more of "Natural Order is better than your guild" style taunting. Sure there are guilds out there that we don't like, and it always bugs me when I see an NO member being an asshole in Trade or TB, but neither of the above 2 examples rise to the level of taunting, IMO. Bragging about the guild's progress would. Claiming that NO membership somehow makes you better than others would. Take pride in your guild, but don't shove it in other people's faces.
Also, when you get into situations like those described above, try to remember that right below your name hangs <Natural Order>. Why do guilds get bad reputations? Because when individuals act like assholes in-game or on the realm forums, they are necessarily associated with the guild tag. You represent not only yourself but the guild as well, so try to keep that shit to a minimum. I'm not saying let people walk all over you, and I've been guilty of tossing a /spit at a node-jacker or ninja-skinner from time to time... but I usually SS the encounter in case that gets called out in the future.
Oh, aye. Crivens. I don't
Oh, aye. Crivens. I don't talk about N.O. to anyone. I thought the first rule of Natural Order was that we didn't talk about Natural Order
In TB, this is less of a taunting and more of a gentle "Hey, calm down there sport" kind of fun in my case. Forums in general I try to be a decent guy in.
Nordberg on the other hand
Asshole to the end
Zeal for torment is his only motivation
I don't know why anyone talks to him.
Whatever you say, Nergle. How
Whatever you say, Nergle. How are you liking Rift, by the way?
Weak
I'm going to disregard this. Try again, do better.
I told you, only responses in the form of haiku will be considered.
Whatever you say, Nergle. How
Whatever you say,
Nergle. How are you liking
Rift, by the way? Huh?
!
I am undone.
Point
Nordberg
/agree
Personally, I try not to respond to personal attacks, particulary if I'm in a random dungeon group. If you're not from my server the likelyhood of me running into you again is fairly small. The likelyhood of me remembering you is less. However, if you're from my server you're gonna get /ignored. This is really all; I might try arguing if I think there's a point that it might change someone's mind, but on the internet this isn't likely either. So to sum up my point, don't be a juice bag. It's just not worth the spike in blood pressure. And really, what is the point of calling someone out? They're just trying ot getcha pissed. ;)