My vid card sucks...well you knew that...

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So my video card has officially bit the dust this morning, earlier my computer kept freezing, but more so than usual, it was happening in 5-10 min incriments. So I figured I'd give the comp a break, I just tried it again, but I'm having the same problem. It only happens in game, so you guys still have to deal with me on the fourm =D
But with every downside is an upside, I knew this problem was coming and order up my new video card last week. It's scheduled to arrive today with a few other tech goodies, so hopefully I'll have everything installed for tonight and I can say gooooodbye to the Barrens for good :P











that sucks.
hopefully you'll get your stuff soon so you'll be ready for tonight.
Check For Cat
Hair :P
Foam Filters
over any intake fan. or any opening in general will help with hair and some dust getting into the case. Though we all know that foam filters are prolly the wrose filters you can get, they really don't hamper air flow too at all. Right Iel and Sio? =)
i dun own any cats..
foam filters depending on pore/cell size can be very effective at reducing the particulate matter entering your tower.
memory foam does not increase memory....
is it on the floor?
did you know human skin cells make up 80% of the dust in your computer?
when is the last time ya took some air dusters and cleaned out the case?
is it like a Bajillion degrees in your house?
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Hey! I resemble
that comment--which reminds me, I need to take the case off and see how things are in there.
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Well...
I have my case, open on it's side. I didn't have fans until just now, but I always monitored my cpu/gpu temps and never were they a concern. Nor will they ever again be, I now have 2 120mm fans in the case, Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme CPU Heatsink/Fan (120mm) (Monster of a heat sink) and well the new video card (XFX Radeon HD 4870 1gb 256-bit DDR3, downgraded from a broken XFX Radeon HD 5770 1gb 128-bit DDR5, buyer beware with those cards!!!!!).
I'll post pics probably sometime tomorrow, I just wanna play now =D and abuse my new card and make sure I fixed my 'freezing' issue, so far everything looks fine, hopefully I can get in ICC 25 and give it the real NO test and seal of approval lol. I think it's an understatement to say I'm 'happy' lol
No Industrial Fans needed, sorry...
So ya, the graphics card change was a success, I listed what parts I threw at my beast in the post above. But for anyone interested, the Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme (The huge black box where my CPU is) is an AMAZING CPU Heatsink/Fan, last night after running WoW for hours, the hottest my CPU got was 24C, lowest it hit was 14C...as apposed to before it would range anywhere from low 30-40C (No overclock, 3.0GHz).
I bumped up the speed on my CPU, now that I know I can run it at a slightly higher speed w/o worrying about overheating. Just a quick tech question to people who know out there, does OCing your processor make your computer less stable? I bounced it up to 3.7GHz last night and it froze watching a full screen vid, I also had a similar problem a few weeks ago when experimenting with OCing...right now I have it set at 3.5GHz and seems to be running fine.
Just a lil reference, here's the comp with the better but worse card, original heatsink/fan and w/o the 2 120mm LED fans...
Short answer, yes
Long answer...
Yes, Over Clocking any IC (integrated Circuit) will cause instability. Heres why (massively simplified by the way)…
So say you go out and buy an Intel core i7. You have a ton of choices:
i7-960 4 Cores /8 threads 3.20 GHz up to 3.46 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-950 4 Cores /8 threads 3.06 Ghz up to 3.33 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-940 4 Cores/8 threads 2.93 GHz up to 3.20 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-920 4 Cores /8 threads 2.66 Ghz up to 2.93 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-870 4 Cores /8 threads 2.93 GHz up to 3.60 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-860s 4 Cores /8 threads 2.53 GHz up to 3.46 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
i7-860 4 Cores /8 threads 2.80 GHz up to 3.46 with turbo boost 8 MB 45 nm
Well, looking at all that they look the same, just the clock speed is different. Why is that? When they print the chips at the factory they run them through a quality control process. During this process they visually inspect every chip to look for defects (this is where the AMD 3 core chips come from, they are quad cores with one defective core that is ‘sliced off’ so it won’t mess up the good cores). If there is one, sayonara! To the rubbish bin with you! 25% or more chips per batch are discarded because of this. Some reports put Intel’s core i7 yield (number of good chips per batch) even lower than 75%.
OK, so all the remaining chips are physicaly good, but how are they once powered up? So the chips have current applied to see if the magic smoke gets out. Chip is still good? On to the next step.
So now the chip is put into a test bed and test signals are put through. This is a sort of stress test where every bit fed to the chip is known and specific output is watched for. Still good? Now the testing is ramped up. This is the point where the final clock speed of the chip is figured out. The speed of the input is ramped up until bad bits start flowing out. Ramp the chip back down and voila, a reference clock is known. The chip is badged for whichever model number matches the final good clock speed.
This is highly simplified and not entirely correct, but gives you an idea. Other factors also apply. For one, Intel needs far fewer ‘extreme’ chips than they need lower clocked cheap chips (more people buy the cheaper parts). So for many parts they are rebadged with a lesser part number simply so Intel can sell it. Intel also controls the number of certain parts on the market so they can control the price (basic economics).
So, now you just bought your shiny new core i7 920 and decide that you want to over clock it. Remember, not all chips are born equal. Some have flaws that keep them from running any faster, others might be rebadged 960s that Intel couldn’t (or didn’t want to) unload at the higher price point. If you are lucky it’s the latter, not the former.
So now, why do some chips clock higher? Tiny imperfections in the silicon matrix of the chip. Some of the imperfections and impurities cause resistance in the tiny electrical traces (the wires printed on a chip are called traces). Resistance means heat. Heat causes resistance in a wire. More heat means more resistance which means more heat… eventually you start a fire (this is what happens in electrical house fires)! More likely the resistance in the wire will cause lost data creating an error (lock-up or application crash) or if it is to bad, spontaneous reboots. In the extreme on a printed circuit it just melts that trace or overheats something else and the magic smoke gets released (fried chip).
So You are trying to overclock and you get a little smart; you get yourself a big copper heatsink with a big fan on it (or a nice watercooling setup, or if you have big bucks a phase-change cooler!). This helps because it dissipates the heat from the resistance in the traces giving you more ‘overhead’. The chip can experience more overheating before you get to that critical point where the heat is not getting dissipated fast enough and it reaches a point of failure.
The more you over clock a chip the less time between voltage loads on those hot traces. There is less time for the heat to dissipate so it builds up and gets hotter. Now to compensate for some of the resistance in the traces you can increase the voltage to the chip. If you have enough cooling this may work. But as voltage increases so does heat. In the end this is a losing battle and if you over-volt too much it will just melt the chip, no matter how much cooling you have on it; even liquid nitrogen won’t help after a while as the cooling can’t get all the way into the internals of the chip fast enough (it’s been done and there is an interesting paper about it, the chip melted down in the end).
Hopefully I have shed some light on this and not muddied the waters further. If you have any questions please feel free to ask!
Well that...
makes more sense now, I am a mechanic, so I have a basic understanding of electrical circuits and with resistance/amps/volts/heat, etc. But I never knew making chips was so...'riskay' if you will. So basically we can make this good tech, there's just not a reliable way to make em...funny. I'm guessing that was a copy and paste, because if you saw my mamoth heat sink you'd know I already have an aftermarket one :P
But thanks for the help...dual cores aren't quad's cut down in size too are they? I have an AMD Phenom II X2 3.0GHz, but when I ran a CPU Speed program, it clocked it at 3.2GHz (Not OCd). I also have a Biostar motherboard, in the Bios they have pre setup clocks in the form of V6 (stock) V8 and V12 (resembling car engines). At V8 I believe I clocked in at a lil over 3.5GHz and on the V12 setting I got a lil over 3.7GHz (V12 is when it froze watching a video). Im back down to V6, I just didnt wanna OC it again until I had a better understanding of whats going on. I think I'm going to try to run at 3.5GHz and see what happens there.
Nope, wrote it from scratch!
I wrote it to be generic, not just applicable to you, but realy to anyone who was interested. in Tech-Speak I tried to make it 'hardware agnostic.'
And no, most dual core chips were designed to be dual core. And that is curious about your 3ghz chip reading as 3.2ghz. I think I might know whats going on there, but let me do some research before I say for sure. It sounds like a bus-speed or multiplier might be set a bit off.
Intel did do something funny with their orgiginal dual-core P4's and later the Core2Quad chips. They took 2 normal CPU's, for our demonstration here lets say 2 Core2Duo CPU's. They then printed out a small chip that would take all the data going in and out of the 2 Core2Duos and 'glued' it all together. So a Core2Quad is esentialy 2 Core2Duos glued together at the Memory Bus. this means that cores 0 and 1 (computers start counting from 0 so in a quad core you will have cores 0,1,2,3 not 1,2,3,4) can talk to each other directly, and cores 2 and 3 can talk and share data together. But if core 0 wants to share something with core 2 it will have to take a few clock cycles and write the data to RAM then send a little message to core 2 telling it to go pull the sata from RAM and work on it. Very inefficient compared to beeing able to do this on the chip it's self. The core i5 and i7 quad cores are more efficient and can all swap and share data directly on the chip.
AMD has designed each of their multi-core chips from the get-go with an on-chip memory controller (similar to what Intel is using now, years later in the core iX line). Having the memory controller on the chip is what allows 2 cores to be able to adress eachother diretcly to share data.
coolio...
I wish I was as knowledgeable about PCs, I know how to put em together and mostly get em working. After that I turn to people such as your self =D But ya, I thought it was odd too about my 3.0 reading at 3.2...I even downloaded another CPU Speed Testing program, thinking it was just a crappy program, but both of them clocked it in at the same speed. I truly still don't trust those things, but I see a lot of people swearing by em so...oh well.
Just a lil background, I have my OC on the V8 setting...and shes reading 3552MHz. I played WoW for awhile yesterday without any problems, just curious...after you bump up a CPUs speed, does it have to self-adjust other components on the board (ie - RAM V, GPU V, etc.) and possibly where the freeze up came from?