Firefighter Report
Fuck me this fight can go somewhere and fuck itself.
Well we didn't get it yet. Best we did was having the three parts at 5%, 3%, and 1% when we wiped (the three parts need to die simultaneously or at least within 10 seconds).
We're definitely doing better than we did last week, and last week was better than this one. We had plenty of time on the enrage timers so there's not really any execution in the first 3 phases that we can do to make it better.
Phase 1 : Clean. Very clean. By the end of the night we were easily flying through phase 1 without losing anyone (with a couple of RNG exceptions).
Phase 2: Clean. Also very clean. We figured on me hotting everyone and the priests bubbling and dealing with larger damage spikes. Everyone avoided the rockets, and for the most part the frost bombs (which luckily don't do a shitton of damage if yopur'e further away from them). We were pretty much getting through Phase 2 without losing anyone.
Phase 3: Fairly Clean. We had Siopao and Relmiste both on the head the whole time and that sped up the phase considerably. The main thing here was bomb bot control. Occasionally Warfury got pummeled by a combo bomb bot/fire or something and would go plop. A good portion of our battle rezes were bringing Warfury back up. He can definitely soak the bomb bots but combine it with other damage or a junk bot and it can be problematic. RNG really. However by the end of the night, for the most part on the last attempts we were getting into Phase 4 with everyone up, though we did seem to be losing one or two here or there and we only had 2 battle rezes which would be nice to save for Phase 4.
Phase 4: Fuck me. Well I don't know precisely what we can do to survive this better other than better raid awareness. I'm not cutting on the dps that were there. It's just a shit ton of things to watch and track. Fire on the ground. Mines on the ground. Rocket strikes on the ground. Frost bombs behind you. Shock blasts in front of you. Pew Pew making you run around Voltron. Etc. If we can increase our raid awareness a smidge more we'll have the fight. Make your suroundings your primariy focus. Target the body and dps him that you can, but dps, look at your surroundings, dps, look at your surroundings.
This is particularly a bitch when you're a resto druid and have to hot the raid and can't look at your health bars to guage health.
Anyway. We were doign better then things would fall apart. We'd lose one, we'd lose two, etc. It'd be nice to have a Warlock in there next time for the additional health, not to mention heathstones.
Still, oeverall much better than last time. Next time if we go in with enough dps and experieince I know we can do it.
That said...next time....I can't next Monday, but I was thinking maybe sometime this week I might try so we're not stopping for 2 weeks. Friday maybe? I dunno.
Sorry for all the repair bills. It'll be worth it once we kill him.
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We'll get him
If we had 1 more ranged I think we might have had it a couple times. Do either Rel or Sio have a pvp set? Maybe they can swap in a couple pieces for some added health?
Maybe
Sael is now pretty damned experieinced in teh fight, but he's also a bit less geared than Rel as well. We lost him a couple times we might not have if he had 2k more health.
I think next time I'm gonna look for
tank - At this point Kibito knows the fight so well I think you should keep doing it.
3 healers. I wish Tirren still had her holy spec. It might be nice to run a Discipline priest, Holy priest, Resto Druid combo on it rather than 2 discipline 1 resto druid, but I don't think healing was really the issue.
Plate Dps for bomb bot soaking. Warfury occasionaly got jibbed doing this but I don't think it was a gear/spec issue. We just need to coordinate it a little beter and watch the fires.
Then we have 5 pure all out dps. I think 4 ranged, and 1 melee would be great, but we are so ranged poor in this guild at the moment.
A Warlock, Hunter, Mage, Boomkin would be nutty. Then say a Rogue for the melee spot. Going in melee heavy really hurts in phase 4 when we lose the ranged and the fight becomes unpossible.
whoops
"A Warlock, Hunter, Mage, Boomkin would be nutty. Then say a Rogue for the melee spot. Going in melee heavy really hurts in phase 4 when we lose the ranged and the fight becomes unpossible."
No plate DPS for bomb-bot soakage. ;-)
Read again Grasshopper
I specifically arrange for a plate dps in the first five package. Tank, 3 healers, Plate DPS.
The second group of five are pure splooters.
What?
*rubs eyes*
*drinks coffee*
Oh, I knew that. >.>
I will try to get Wife approval.
I'm going to sign up as tentative for next week and the following week. The challenge will be dumping the wife aggro. I think that a well timed Rose Volley should accomplish the desired effect. I should know for certain this weekend.
Mind, I've only watched the videos though, so my learning curve may take a few tries to get right. If someone wants to message me and help give a walk through of what you think my roles would be during each phase, that might help me prepare a bit better before attempting it, but I'm sure I'll catch on fast enough even without that.
Each role is pretty easy to describe
It's just a bitch to remmeber until you do it all second nature.
Ranged DPS
Phase 1: Follow the boss/tank around the room clockwise. Fires will be following the group, stay out of the fires. The boss will occasionally drop mines on the ground. Don't run on the mines. You'll occasionally get 'napalmed'. Just keep dps'ing you can't avoid getting hit, and trust the healers to keep you up. Don't waste a potion or healthstone at this point. It's a long fight. Also don't stand within 5-10 yards if you can help it of everyone else, because Napalm splashes onto anyone near you.
ie don't stand in the fire, don't walk over mines, don't stand next to other people, don't spread too far out further than the center of the room.
Phase 1-2 Transition: Stack up on the Tank next to the remaining fires, and slowly move away from them. Stay on the tank until 5 seconds till phase 2 transition and it's called to go get im.
Phase 2: Spread out, try not to stand on top of other people, spread out by at least 5-10 yards. Stay as close to melee range as you can so healers can get you. Tons of raid damage. If you stand too far back from the boss in the middle of the room you might get out of healing range. Also it makes the next part harder... Pew Pew x2. He spools up occasionally and does a clockwise 180 arc of purple death. When you see him spool up run clockiwise away from the starting point, or through the boss, or whatever, but get out of that arc.
Also avoid the fire's spreading on the ground, and watch out for rocket strike marks on the ground which will instant kill you, and big frost orbs that get placed in the fire occasionally to put out the fire but will knock the shit out of you.
Phase 2-3 Transition: Stack up on the Tank next to the remaining fires and prepare to move either clockwise or counter-clockwise with the tank as he calls it depending on fires on the ground.
Phase 3: Most likely you'd be dps'ing the head the entire phase. It'll be in the air, until the melee brings him to the ground occasionally but you can just keep dpsing the whole time. However you have to watch for fires on the ground to not stand in htem, as well as move around the room with the tank otherwise you'll be too far and a robot add will get on you and the tank won't be able to pull it off and you'll die.
If your'e not on pure kill the head duty, you'll be destroying the assault bots that spawn if they are up. If no assault bots, you'll be on the head. If you have pets they'll need to be on the assault bots because the head can't take melee damage unless they're brought down to the ground. This phase is much better for an Affliction Destruction Warlock than a Demo one.
Phase 3-4 Transition: Watch the fires and the fire suppression robots, they'll fuck you up puttin gout fires. Kill any remaining adds standing with AOE to clear the little junk bots, and then single target down the remaining assault bots.
Phase 4: All three parts of the robot form Voltron. Fire is everywhere. Dps the head down to 10% then the body down to 10%. Once the head, body, and feet (melee on the feet) are all down to 10% then bring them all down to 5% then to 1-2% then when the kill is called finish the head, and then the body. (melee will finish the feet and then the body). If the head and body are down, help melee finish the feet. If the head and body are at 10% but the feet are at 15% help the feet get to 10% etc. all the three parts need to die within 10 seconds of each other or they repair.
Meanwhile, fires on the ground, don't stand in them. Rocket strikes on the ground, get out of them. Frost bombs in the fire, don't stand near them. The boss shock blasts, run away from it. He'll spin up Pew Pew, run around him to get away from it. All while not standing right next to another player, and also not standing too far out, so taht the healers can reach you.
And that shit in the last paragraph happens about as fast as you can read it. It's nutty chaotic and hard and I'm probably missing a piece or two tha tmakes it harder on ranged (he does other stuff to the tank, and he does alot of damage to the ranged dps tank who is on his head).
It's pretty brutal but when we get it down we're gonna feel like rockstars.
well, i could switch a few pieces of t9 and regem
but honstly it won't hurt my dps too much, however it will only add about 1500 hp
no you were fine
Sael was at like 18k though and a couple k more from better gear would help tremendously. Alot of stuff in there easily cracks you for enough that a double tap will do 18k and kill him fast, whereas with you we can pop you back up usually when that happens.
well, i could switch a few pieces of t9 and regem
but honstly it won't hurt my dps too much, however it will only add about 1500 hp
Maybe we should try AVR?
http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/avr-blue-posts-mmo-report/
Addon Spotlight - AVR
It's time for another spotlight! This time I would like to point out a fairly new addon called AVR (Augmented Virutal Reality) and AVR Encounters. This addon will let you draw markings on the 3D world anywhere and share it with anyone! This is incredibly useful for any raid leader, but it's not the only feature.
Some of these drawings can be automatized and triggered by spells and NPCs, this is how you get AVR Encounters! This submod adds warnings and very noticeable visual helps for for various boss abilities.
I know a lot of people will ask: this is JUST an addon and it doesn't use anything else than the Blizzard's API, you won't get banned for using that (but I cannot guarantee that Blizzard will not disable it at some point). For more information on the addon you can also check the following:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/april/avr2.jpg
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2010/april/avr1.jpg
Hmm
I have it downloaded, but hadn't had any time to play with it before we did the fight (stupid studying!) Maybe after I take my test Thursday I can play around with it some and see how it might work out.
Anyway, yeah, this fight is giving me more gray hairs that I like to think about. We've got the first 3 phases down, barring any RNG moments, and it's just a matter of getting through Phase 4 without losing everyone. I know it's hard - there is SO much going on at once and it is hard to keep track of - but I know we can do it.
From a healing standpoint, I'm really just trying to throw as many bubbles around as I can to keep people stable while Tal hot's everyone up. With as much moving around as we have to do during the fight, Tirren and I end up being limited to casting our bubbles, Prayer of Mending, Renew, and the occasional Penance/Flash Heal - basically all of our instant/fast cast spells. Unfortunately Flash Heal is a weak heal for us, but it ends up being he only heal we can spam when Penance is on CD. And our shields are great, but they only absorb so much damage before they're gone, and then you're left with a debuff on you where Tirren and I can't shield you for another 10-15 seconds.
So we're basically just trying to keep people stablized to give Tal's hot' a chance to bring people up. Where we're lacking is burst healing on both individuals and groups, and that's where it would be better if one of us were Holy. I don't have a Holy set, but if we end up not trying this again for another 2 weeks, I can respec my shadow spec to Holy and put something together for it through heroics and some regemming of my current gear. That way Tirren can stay Disc and focus on bubble-spamming, while I handle the burst healing. That's only if we don't make an attempt on Friday and wait until two weeks from now to try again.
Anyway, increased raid awareness would really help. Losing ranged in phase 4 really hurts us. Getting spread too far apart in phase 4 seems to hurt us a lot also. But we'll get it eventually. And yes then we will feel like rockstars. :)
Head duty
I was doing the head primarily on Tartare, and very much want to get this achievement and progress further. But, I have class on Monday nights this quarter. :(
Here's hoping you guys can do it. :)
TartDhol
Yeah I'm tooting my own horn
but I have every hard mode achievement in there for Algalon EXCEPT this one and I use to live in Uldaur back in the day. Normally I could care less about who goes where but this is one I do want, and Waka can bring fire resistance, wind fury (or wrath of air), strentgh of earth, and fire (spell pwr) added to the fact I know the fight forward and backwards.
I may not have leet dps, but I was constantly pushing 3500-3200 dps in there.
Not to mention Bloodlust :)
and really cool pets.
Well...
Even though I know how much Ikuri loves to DPS, maybe we can have waka heal to fill in the burst heal slot and have Ikuri DPS instead? VE would also be nice for replenishment and a bit of health regen.
Think
you would rather have Ikuri and her shields among her other tricks her priest can do.
Pretty much why my gear isnt as purdy as others is becuase of my back injury that started back in December, otherwise I would be closer in gear to some. That doesnt mean I have crap numbers either though.
Look I don't ask for much, but as much time as I have spent in that damn place when it use to be super hard (before ICC) I would like to see Firefighter finished and the title. I know thats how a few other people feel too otherwise we would not be in Ulduar at all.
Yeah I feel somewhat stongly about this, but then again I spent so much time (what all Summer of 09 to Fall of 09?) in there I started to dream about it at one time.
I'll go stand in the corner now and tank a tranquilizer.
Bubblez!
Well, we have Ikuri AND Tirren bubbling the bejesus out of everyone and they keep running into the debuff (weakened soul?), then they both only have renew and flash heal if penance is on CD. We have mitigation and HoTs, Ikuri offered to go holy for more raid friendly healing which you could prolly do pretty well since we hopefully be grouped up after phase 1.
Tirren used to have the holy spec
does she still have holy gear? might be easier for her to swtich?
Or bring Ella she's holy.
It'd be nice to have a bursty healer. Two discipline priests raid healing do tend to step on each other.
I will have to look in my
I will have to look in my bank i can probally get a holy set put back together. With what i dont have I know i have enough emblems to go buy another set. Might have to have some help with gems and such I dont have many of them stockpiled anymore. I dont mind going holy for this but just so you know in advance its not my favorite spec lol.
Noted
Believe me that I understand what your'e saying. I don't think you were pulling low numbers. Sure 3500 is lower than 4500 but it's plenty. Our issues weren't dps, just keeping people staying alive in phase 4.
Even the lowest dps like Sae who was around 3k is still gearing up. The extra 1-1.5k damage he could pull with better gear would help out, but more than the dps woul dbe his health.
Our problem is NOT dps. Really we can do it if everyone is pulling 3k dps. Honestly. Anythning more just makes it easier on us. I asked for 4k's because that means they're also the most experieinced, and the exra dps helps 6 dps pulling 1k more than the other is like having 1 and a half additional dps'ers in the raid. It adds up and can make fights easier and faster.
However you're fine. I'm not shutting you out. I know that the people who have racked up thousands of gold in repair bills and tons of hours want this guy. We'll do what we can to get the people who have fought for it in the door.
And the ones that have been running it alot will get those first spaces on Algalon as well.
No worries Waka we're just playing with maximizing stuf and it's a melee unfriendly fight.
Thanks for the reply
its appreciated :)
hey...
Just for the record, I wasn't saying you sit out either.
Definitely
DPS is not a problem for us at all. By the end of the night we were entering Phase 4 with 2+ minutes on the clock. So the DPS was fine. The problems we're having are:
Raid awareness/coordination - all we can do with this is stress that everyone be more aware of their surroundings and not get sucked into the tunnel vision trap.
Crummy luck with the RNG - not much we can do about this.
Healing, as much as it pains me to admit. Tirren, Tal and I are all amazing healers (shut up, we are :P) but Tal's right in that having two Disc priests on a 10 man fight makes for some stepping on toes and tripping over each other. So I'm wondering if it might be more helpful to do one of the following:
Take Kib's suggestion and have Waka heal since he will do better burst heal damage than I can, and have me go Shadow since my DPS output will be about the same as what Waka does. My only concern here is that it's such a high mobility fight and I'm not sure how easy it would be for Waka to heal if he doesn't have a lot of instant cast spells? So I'd have to say this one is his call. This would however be my preferred suggestion if we try the fight again this week since it's the easiest to implement.
Have either Tirren or I switch our shadow spec to Holy for the fight. It might be easier for Tirren to do it. I don't know how much of her old Holy set she still has but she could probably make the switch and keep her current gear with a few minor changes. I don't have a holy set per se, and my current gear is specifically gemmed/enchanted for tank healing/shield spamming, but I can put one together easily enough IF we tackle it again in 2 weeks. I've just got too much on my plate right now to devote any time to re-gearing until after my testing is done. But I can do it if we try again after Tal is back from fishing.
Another alternative is for either Tirren or I to sit and bring in a different healer that can handle burst healing better. In all honesty, this is my least favorite suggestion since the selfish part of me really wants to be there when we down him. But if it ends up being for the good of the group, then I'll sit.
ya
I just don't know what would make the best third healer. Holy Paladins and Resto Shamans do seem to need to sit pretty still to do their healing which can make that fight hell.
Discipline Priest, Holy Priest, and Resto Druid really seems like it'd be the best combo for that. Then when we reach phase 3, the discipline priest is on the tank, and bubbling the raid, the resto druid is hotting everyone like in Phase 2 and just keeping hots rolling on everyone, and the holy priest is hitting the trouble spots of people.
The main thing with that is people need to stay somehwat together. I need to look up some phase 4 strategies. Maybe have us all stay on the clockwise side of where kibito is as he pulls voltron around the room. Though when he spins up that could be deadly if he's in a bad spot. I just don't know if the side of the room tanking in that phase is a great idea.
need to look into that.
Side tanking
I don't like it either and it's really bad if he does laser barrage, but the other option is it sit him in the fire. I try to get as close to the center of the room as the fires permit.
Spell Power
If I'm there as a Demo lock, you'll want to drop something other than a spell power totem as Demonic Pact will overwrite it for more.
Boomkin
I will go if am free that night. This Monday night was meetings, couldnt commit (I think I've only made about half the attempts so far). I will check on calendar and put my name down if it works, and I can be a sub if raid is full.
Boomkin
I will go if am free that night. This Monday night was meetings, couldnt commit (I think I've only made about half the attempts so far). I will check on calendar and put my name down if it works, and I can be a sub if raid is full.